ARRRRGGGGGG!!!!!! It was the pup file (sort of). When I removed it from the template it would work fine. When I added it back in JK would crash. I took a line away at a time to see if it was just something in a particular line that I was missing, until there was only one line. Plus Descent_Pilot is right, it should run anyway, just look messed up. Anyway I started comparing the original JK files to mine and lo and belold there it was ... I put the .key folder in the misc folder!!!!! It belongs in the 3do folder! (Missing resources = crash) So now I just have to find some time to edit key files. LV 2 and the makeup level should only be about a month or so away. Thanks for the help! I hope to have a final version of LV 1 up soon, the only fix I haven't finished yet are the stormies on cliffs. BTW anyone remember seeing an AI builder plugin?? I had it on my last computer, but I can't seem to find it anymore.